[BBS] Suggestion/Petition for More Appropriate Punishments

[neutralchaotic]

[Sent before Shadow leaves for Winhill]

Greetings,

I'll just get right to the point.

The punishments in place here at Balamb Garden are laughable. A lot of cadets, and yes, even SeeDs, break or have broken serious rules set in place for their protection. However, there is no discrimination on the severity of the misconduct and the default punishments are detention or punishment tours.

I doubt either would suffice to actually teach a lesson that rules are in place for a reason.

I've come up with a list of possible other punishments suitable for cadets, and possibly SeeDs.


-Cafeteria Duty: work in the cafeteria, helping to serve food for breakfast.

-Training Center Cleanup: someone has to clean up after all those T-Rexaurs.

-NOTE6: Laundry Duty: just as it one would think it means.

-Essays: the topic can be decided upon issuing the punishment. At least twenty pages in length.
NOTE1: a minimum of ten pages can be set, and subsequent pages added on based on the circumstance and person in question

-Ban from an excursion into the next town we are docked in: this means that a cadet will not be permitted to leave Garden for a minimum of three days to the maximum of the entire duration of the visit.

-NOTE2 Assisting Instructors: examples range from repairing materials used in classrooms to helping stage crew. Assigned on a case by case basis. 

Perhaps failing to comply with the above would result in a deduction in stipends one's sponsorship. NOTE5: sponsorship stipends or pay (depending on if the individual is still a Cadet or not) be taken to repay any willful damage to Garden property. Accidental damage caused by reckless behaviour could result in a lesser amount of money being taken.

-Explusion: depending on how severe the action was, and should be used when absolutely necessary. I doubt anyone wants this at the current time...[He's concerned about the safety of all here if they were to travel outside of Garden] (this part is literally crossed out, so one can still see the text)

-NOTE3 Isolation: just what it means. The length to be determined based on the incident. NOTE4: Isolation really should be as a last resort for truly grave incidents. Expulsion may be too severe, and may inadvertently endanger lives of students and native citizens.

NOTE6: Delay of taking the SeeD exam: the person would be denied the chance to take the exam until they can prove they are responsible enough, possess the standards of proper behavior, and have the ability to follow orders consistently.

**Notes will be added as suggestions come along**

Again, these are only suggestions. Constructive criticism and opinions would be appreciated. As a note, while this post is aimed for the Headmaster, Commander Leonhart, faculty, instructors, and SeeDs, it is not limited to just them. All input will be welcomed.

Shadow
SeeD #83425

Comments

[gyrocopter.livejournal.com]

Serving food? That ain't much of a punishment to me.

[Who is he kidding? He'd like it because he could sneak bites of the profits.]

[neutralchaotic]

Breakfast is served at 0630. You would need to arrive by at least 0530 or 0600 to help set up as well.

[Even Shadow isn't a morning person. Waking up that early will suck for anyone.]

[fierybluebird]

Oi, bans from excursions would just create more pent up feelings and energy, and expulsion is too harsh.

[neutralchaotic]

Your first point is groundless. That's what the training center is for, or other activities. But I agree with your second. I'd not want for a situation to come to that, but if the situation is severe enough...

Expulsion for endangering the life of another thorough inhumane means would be the only circumstance that comes to mind.

[stillshinigami]

Essay? More like a dissertation.

[neutralchaotic]

Too short?

[werepanther]

This looks pretty good! Though I have to agree, twenty pages is a little much--most students usually groan about 5 pages, let alone 20.

- Instructor Tom Bronson

[neutralchaotic]

I've added a note regarding a suggestion about that.

[See? He took you seriously.]

[kat-asks-later.livejournal.com]

I like the idea of the Training Center clean-up. I can't see what writing would do, however, except give someone sore hands.

If I think of something, I'll be in touch.

Katsura Sunarrow

[neutralchaotic]

I've added a note regarding a suggestion about essays.

Perhaps that's the point?

Thank you.

[turnip-rage.livejournal.com]

Hah. No.

[]

First of all, we already have the first two available as punishments already - that's what a fatigue tour is. They're just not employed often enough.

Essays are about as constructive as the endless walking. They pay nothing back to the community whatsoever, and as far as I'm concerned a punishment should be more constructive than that.

Third, bans on excursions are useless, as we don't leave Balamb often enough. So far, in the year I've been here, we've visited only two places - someone could end up waiting eight months to experience that particular punishment.

[Unsigned.]

[neutralchaotic]

[Can't even put aside anger to work together. Good job.]

Thank you for your input. I understand that excursions are few and far between, which is why there are other choices, and it would depend on the timing.

If you have anything to add, such as constructive criticism, and not simply criticism, then please let them be known.

[notaferry.livejournal.com]

[neutralchaotic]

I've added a note regarding a suggestion about essays.

The most community service we can manage is helping to cleanup around town and the Garden. I'd think cafeteria duty would fall under that category, but if there are other ideas, then please share them.

Someone doesn't believe in punishmnets of this sort, lol

[livebymysmile.livejournal.com]

So, what brought up a list like this? Someone kick your puppy or something? Most of what you've got on there's just going to make people act out even more and the ones who won't are the kind to get in trouble in the first place.

[Two guesses which class this poster falls under, Shadow.]

So yeah, your list kinda sucks. You might want to work on that.

Well, actually no. Assisting Instructors and the first two are fine. The rest of them are the ones that suck.

-2

The other him was a bit more complacent. ie NOT A JERK. XD

[neutralchaotic]

Thank you for your input.

[Best to not feed this user into further argument. It will probably go nowhere.

I am so good at having muses who are like anti-authority or something.

[rebellingheart]

What's wrong with the current system? It must work okay enough since it's been in place for over twenty years, don't you think?

[Arguing for no-change is so weird, but the idea of some of those options actually being enforced is not cool at all.]

at least she lives up to her username. :|

[neutralchaotic]

What's wrong with more options?|

[biladi.livejournal.com]

Yes to community service.

No to isolation.

- Hassan

[neutralchaotic]

Alright. Care for an elaboration?

[lostmyhyperion.livejournal.com]

I think you should try for harsher punishments than these.

[neutralchaotic]

We're not a prison, you know.

[potionemperor.livejournal.com]

Would you say Balamb Garden is a school, first and foremost? If we were to put aside for the moment the military procedures, any normal punishment for a student would be primarily detention or some sort of duty that would involve assisting the teacher, would it not?

[neutralchaotic]

Yes, but this school is home to a good lot with powers that exceed the ordinary, and can be destructive. I'm not excluded from this group. Therefore, 'normal' punishments would do little for not-so-normal students. Also, each punishment will vary to each student.

We've also included such tasks as assisting instructors. A lot of the changes in this post were due to the contributions of others.

Just pretend Byakuya replied to this on time, please. ^^;;

[noble-pride.livejournal.com]

I have already had students who have broken the rules clean the cafeteria after mealtimes, or the bathrooms.

Your other suggestions are good, particularly with your amendment to the isolation punishment.

I would also suggest that sponsorship stipends or pay (depending on if the individual is still a Cadet or not) be taken to repay any willful damage to Garden property. Accidental damage caused by reckless behaviour could result in a lesser amount of money being taken.

Assigning those who break the rules to laundry duty might be another option.

-Instructor Kuchiki

Sure thing! ^^b

[neutralchaotic]

Thank you, Instructor Kuchiki. I'll add your suggestions.